Interdasting - advice

"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch) 10/22/2018 at 14:47 • Filed to: advice

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I interviewed last week for a job that I kinda sorta wanted. Im kind of ready for a change from video but I thought I would look around for video jobs to see if mixing it up would stoke the fire. Well the group I interviewed with is an agency, which means a ton more work and hours...but it would be a change of scene and a chance to make some connections and move up.

I didn’t think I interviewed well and didn’t really care. The amount of work seemed like it wasn’t remotely worth the pay and so when they asked me to follow up with them with a different portfolio I didn’t and kinda figured that was the end of that.

Well I got a call today asking for a follow- up interview. hmm. So what do I do? I know I don’t want the job...pretty sure I don’t...and where Im at right now is a bad time to negotiate (we just finished a 2 year long reorganization like, a month ago).

Thoughts? Just go for it and try and use it as leverage anyway? if it backfires and they don’t buy into it then im stuck between showing that I was only interested in the job as leverage or going to a new company I have no real interest in.

Of course Im still actively looking at programs that get me out of video anyway.

For Sweden > HammerheadFistpunch 10/22/2018 at 14:52

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kind of ready for a change from video

We just finished pivoting to video!

HammerheadFistpunch > For Sweden 10/22/2018 at 14:54

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yup, content has lost its pissaz to the person making content.  

Nibby > HammerheadFistpunch 10/22/2018 at 15:04

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you have been promoted to full time land cruiser researcher

Chariotoflove > HammerheadFistpunch 10/22/2018 at 15:07

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If you know you won’t take the job, I tend to say don’t waste people’s time. I get a queasy feel anyway about trying to leverage anyone when you’re not all in. Could backfire.

BigBlock440 > HammerheadFistpunch 10/22/2018 at 15:08

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Take the follow-up interview, if you’re still looking for something new, it’s practice talking about yourself and your projects. If they make an offer, evaluate it then. You could use it for leverage, take it, or just tell them no thank you. I don’t know what your market is like though, or if you’ll be burning any bridges doing so .

Cash Rewards > HammerheadFistpunch 10/22/2018 at 15:12

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Interviews can go both ways. Anything they could tell you that would change your mind? Use the interview as an opportunity to ask those questions. If you already did, and they don't have those answers, then I might just pass. Waste of everyone's time.

HammerheadFistpunch > Cash Rewards 10/22/2018 at 15:13

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I think it was pretty clear to me what the job expectations were when I interviewed. There is opportunity , but it requires a huge increase in workload and I don’t know if that’ s worth it to me.

Cash Rewards > HammerheadFistpunch 10/22/2018 at 15:16

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Fair enough. I know the job I’d like to do isn’t the one I’m doing. But my benefits are worth it now. Tough to change sometimes.

HammerheadFistpunch > Chariotoflove 10/22/2018 at 15:18

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Thats where Im stuck.  Im 90% sure that I don’t want the job, but I could use something to change my momentum here...but at the same time it feels a little wrong.

HammerheadFistpunch > Nibby 10/22/2018 at 15:18

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how’s the pay?

HammerheadFistpunch > BigBlock440 10/22/2018 at 15:18

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Thinking about it.  No bridges burnt, at least I don’t think.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > HammerheadFistpunch 10/22/2018 at 15:26

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I guess if I knew I was not going to take Job B I would not go for the second interview unless I was looking for leverage on my Job A for a salary increase or promotion. The thing is if they call your bluff have to go work at Job B.

Chariotoflove > HammerheadFistpunch 10/22/2018 at 15:32

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I know that feeling, more than I’ll say here. Something right will come along if you keep your eyes open . When it does, you shouldn’t be afraid to pull the trigger.  But it needs to feel right.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > HammerheadFistpunch 10/22/2018 at 15:57

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If you dont want that other job, do not use it as leverage. You may be stuck with your dick in your hand. Consider the three crappy potential outcomes:

1) employer calls your bluff , you’re forced to take the new job you don’t want

2) Leverage doesn’t work and employer will view you as one foot out the door which spells trouble in the near future.

3) leverage doesn’t work and new job fails spectacularly, or the position wasn't really there waiting for you ... unemployment.

HammerheadFistpunch > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 10/22/2018 at 15:58

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Exactly my dilemma

Nibby > HammerheadFistpunch 10/22/2018 at 16:20

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tree fiddy an hour

HammerheadFistpunch > Nibby 10/22/2018 at 16:25

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That’s in line with maintaining a crusty cruiser head life

Nibby > HammerheadFistpunch 10/22/2018 at 16:29

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no, $350 an hour not 3.50

HammerheadFistpunch > Nibby 10/22/2018 at 16:33

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I’ll take it!

Nibby > HammerheadFistpunch 10/22/2018 at 16:46

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HIRED

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > HammerheadFistpunch 10/22/2018 at 17:05

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I’d follow up with more work samples and go meet with them again, unless you really don’t want the job. Be open with them. Maybe they have some needs that are greater than what they’re advertising. A man’s job is a tricky thing how it ties into everything else we are trying to accomplish in the bigger picture and sometimes there’s outside advice available. I know that I’ve received the strongest, clearest outside advice when it comes to my own career and now, it seems like it’s being made Job One in the scheme of things. If you get my drift.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Chariotoflove 10/22/2018 at 17:07

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Then again... How many times have any of us been interviewed for something that there was already an incumbent for and they were just going through the motions? Interviewing for jobs is shopping each other and potential customers may or may not buy.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/22/2018 at 17:08

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But nothing wrong with taking the interview.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/22/2018 at 17:13

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Nothing wrong with interviewing, but if you don’t want the job then what’s the point? Let them interview someone who is actually interested. No one likes a snake.

Chariotoflove > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/22/2018 at 17:37

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I’ve seen that plenty of times.  Departments go through the motions of an external search, only to install someone internal as chair.  Waste of everyone’s time usually.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/22/2018 at 17:46

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I have several comments floating in this thread, but interviewing is a two-way street and how many of us have had our time wasted when interviewing us was only going through a motion? I take your point, but it’s all about shopping and not everyone buys.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Chariotoflove 10/22/2018 at 17:50

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And we go in and pour out our souls as if. I hate it. And now I’m too old so I’m stuck, unless I move to Taos, where they need teachers.

WilliamsSW > HammerheadFistpunch 10/22/2018 at 17:56

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Is there a number/situation where that job would truly make you happy? If so, throw it out there if it comes up.  They can only say no - and it will give you some good practice, maybe a confidence builder.

If not, don’t waste *your* time - unless you think it’s good practice for something in the future.  

Chariotoflove > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/22/2018 at 18:01

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They always need teachers.  Question is whether they are willing to pay for them.

nermal > HammerheadFistpunch 10/22/2018 at 18:31

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Everything has a price - If they want you, make them pay more.

Figure out how much $$$ you would need to move, then add some on to it.

nermal > Chariotoflove 10/22/2018 at 18:33

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Some companies will still waste the shit out of your time by posting a job, interviewing external candidates, and then giving the job to an internal candidate that they wanted to hire all along.

Screw ‘em. Don’t ever feel as if you are wasting somebody’s time in talking about a new opportunity.

Chariotoflove > nermal 10/22/2018 at 19:01

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Good point, although the chances they are not really interested should go down a bit if they want a second interview (although I’ve seen that happen before).

On the other hand, if you know you don’t want the job, it’s kinda wasting your own  time as well.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > nermal 10/22/2018 at 19:15

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I lean that way as well and you never know what might shake out in the process.